Report to follow….

Rain, rain and more rain for the Jinxsters down the lake today.

Results

Overall and A Section Winner, Mat Edwards.

Second in A Section, Clive Pritchard

B Section Winner, Steve Wilson

B Section Second, Marcus Burgess

C Section Winner, Malc Doyle

C Section Second, Tony Roberts

The Jinxsters returned to the lake for round 2 of a series of 6 matches at the lake.

Results

The next Jinx match is actually a night match on the 17th June followed by match 3 of the series on the 18th June.

All picture are clickable for a bigger view

Today saw the Jinx Squad return to the lake for their first match of the year. The Jinx Series is in it 10th year. Malc Doyle who runs the series as a bit of fun mainly and tries to make the matches more about having a laugh than big money payout. This year there are 27 angler fishing the series. Malc splits them up in to 3 section’s of 9.

Just so people don’t have too much fun and relax too much Malc’s daughter Gem fishes too. If you get beaten by her your name is added to her impressive MINX list. Not only that….. If she beats you you are eligible to be picked for the new 2011 MINX hat

For the first match Gem drew a peg from the bag and whoever drew that peg in the match would wear the hat…Simple. She pulled out peg 40 and Neil Riddy drew peg 40 so got to wear the hat. I think secretly he wanted to wear it anyway lol

The new 2011 MINX Hat modelled by Neil Riddy, no stranger to stupid hats

The draw was done almost on time, not bad for Malc really. The only reason it was nearly on time was he was at the lake having previously fished helped with the weigh in on the Night match.

On to the match. First off a major photo explosion with all the runners and riders from this years series.

First off Malc Doyle on peg 36

Ade Williams on 38

Neil Riddy on 40

Alex on 2

Pete on peg 4

My home for the day peg 5

Dave Collier on 7

Tony Roberts on 8

Rod on peg 9

Jon Hatch on 10

Geoff Palmer on 11

Mat Edwards on 13

Gem 'MINX' Doyle on 14

Paul Roberts on 15

Paul's cheerleader

Al Loader on 17

Dave Webster on 18

Nick Williams on 19

Peter Morton on 20, new peg king

Kev Lovelock on 23

Kev's Cheerleader Nice nanna

Marcus Burgess on 25

Terry Goff on 26

Clive Pritchard on 28

Nick Watkins-Price on 29

Dave Moore on 31

Dai Thomas on 32

Mitch Auger on 34

The all in was sounded at 1pm and fishing got underway. I could only see the little lake today. Neil Riddy on peg 40 had landed his first carp before everyone else had finished feeding their swims and it wasn’t before Pete on peg 4 was walking past with a weigher. Mitch over on peg 34 was having a few fish too. I could not buy a bite and Malc and Ade were also the same.

Within 20 minutes I knew I was going to have a struggle along with the rest of the lads in the little lake. This was not helped by the Scream we all fear…… Gem had landed her first fish and it was a 14lb’er too.

After the first 2 hours Malc had managed to get a carp on the paste feeder so it was only me and Ade who were fishless in the little lake. I fed my lines and went to see how the big lake was doing.

It was like a different match in the big lake. There was elastic streaming from top kits and rods bent double :O (see first picture in this report) I sat behind Gem and watched in envy Gems float sailed away and she hooked in to another fish, shame it was up the arse. After a lengthy fight she had landed another 14lb’er. Things were not looking good. Paul on 15 was also in to plenty of fish fishing the feeder, he would have had one more but was put off by my picture taking and lost the carp that would have took him over the magical 100lb…..oooops sorry mate

Gem playing a foul hooker

Paul also playing a fish. He lost it just after I took this pic, ooops

Gem 14lb'er

I went back to my peg hopeful for a fish and sure enough I hooked into and lost my first fish Straight back out and hooked one in the gob. As I netted it I gave a loud roar in relief

Malc also managed his second and last fish of the match. Mitch was catching a mixture of carp and silvers, Tony and Dave on 7 and 8 were having a few fish as there was plenty of splashing coming from that direction.

John Bennett had been away all afternoon and got back gagging for a cuppa tea so turned the generator on. Normally there is nothing wrong with doing this but unknown to John the aerators were still plugged in……………………… Malc was fishing to his aerator on peg 36 and nearly fell off his box when it fired up I didnt laugh too much. Also Dave Moore on peg 31 got a similar surprise

I only caught 3 fish today but one of them made my match.

19lb 4oz. Thanks Tony for taking the picture.

Not long after a very excited Jon Hatch came and asked me to take a picture of his new PB carp.

Jon Hatch with a 18lb 12oz PB carp. Well done.

With the all out sounding at 6pm I knew I had been Minxed as gem had 5 fish to my 3. The little lake had fished poorly so we were all going to be candidates for the new hat with the exception of Mitch who managed to equal Gems weight and avoid the dreaded MINXING

Mitch with a 2lb perch

Dave with a 5lb Bream

On to the results.

Results

Over all Winner and B Section winner, Dai Thomas. BIG well done mate

A Section Winner. Mitch Auger

B Section 2nd. Tony Roberts

B section 2nd. Clive Pritchard

C Section 1st. Paul Roberts

C Section 2nd. Steve 'smiler' Wilson

I gave Gem my quid and Ran off She MINXED 21 today. Well done Gem

Great match (for some ) The next match in the series is on 4th June so Gem will have plenty of time to pick out of the 21 people who will wear the hat next year.

Well done to all the winners today, well deserved on a hard day (sulky Saturday as Malc calls it) at the lake.

Thanks for reading. Si, Eddie and John.

If anyone wants full sized pictures please email me @ si@rolfslake.com as I have had some requests already, thanks.

Malcs Blog report can be found here

Peters Blog can be found here

Geoff Palmer.... MOG

A few of the Jinxsters had camped over after the BBQ so they could have a drink and travel back in the day-time. They woke up to find the car park buzzing with anglers fishing a club match at the lake. The club had turned up with half the number expected so instead of 20 anglers there were 10, they decided to fish in the big lake which left the little lake free

A plan was hatched by Geoff to run a small knock-up match on the little lake with John’s permission. A few of the anglers had to get permission of their other halves With permission granted 8 angler gathered to discuss plans for the day.

We all decided not to draw pegs but just simply choose a peg that we fancied fishing. We all chose our pegs and then decided to fish from 1pm – 6pm. We paid our peg fee’s and all put £2 in the pot to give two prizes for the day, £11 for most weigh and £5 for the biggest fish.

Everyone was set up and ready but with 15 minutes to go Geoff was summoned to go and have his dinner or miss out

• Me {Simon Mound} on peg 38
• Malc, Julie, Crystal Doyle on peg 39
• Gem Doyle on peg 1
• Geoff Palmer on peg 3
• Nick Williams on peg 4
• Marcus Burgess and Liam Doyle on peg 6
• Dai Thomas on peg 7
• Mat Edwards on peg 8

We gave him an extra 15 minutes to come back and then I called the all in. Budgie fishing from peg 6 had decided that he fancied doing some coaching for the day. Liam Doyle was his pupil, Liam had already had a go on my gear on peg 32 last night and caught a nice carp and was eager to continue where he left off last night.

Liam Doyle with a carp from peg 32

Everyone started off fairly well catching fish apart from poor Gem fishing from peg 1. Mat on peg 8 had landed his first carp in 3 days having failed to catch one in the previous two matches. I was having a chat with John Bennett and watching the other fishing and decided to go and have a go, I fed 2 handfuls of pellets on the left hand bush on peg 38 and dropped the rig in. I had a fish on right away too followed by another. I also dropped the feeder under the bush as I fancied a go on the rod and had a few more from both the left and right bushes.

By this time Liam was shouting and had his first fish on and in the net. He was very excited to say the least Malc on peg 39 had had a few fish but he too was in coaching mode, his wife Julie was on his box and playing a fish Anyone who knows Julie will know that she does NOT do fishing and hates it…. well used too. After having a few goes over the weekend it seems she was hooked now. Julies run on his box was cut short by yet another Doyle wanting to have a go. Crystal was soon on his box and playing a fish much to the disgust of Gem who was still fishless.

Dai and Mat on pegs 7 and 8 were catching plenty of fish and Geoff was hooking lots of fish on peg 3 but was loosing them as they were foul hooked. Nick on peg 4 was playing the odd fish but seemed to be struggling. Malc had managed to get on his box and catch a few more and also went on Gems peg to catch one off her peg to prove there was some fish in there Gem did manage one of her own using the feeder rod.

In the last hour of the mini match Liam had been bagging up big time. He let out a very loud “YES” when he landed a fish that he had been playing for 15 minutes, a fish of 18lb 8oz and a new PB for him. This fish was closely followed by a 17lb  2oz fish 8-O Not bad for a 7 year old.

I shouted the all out at 6-15 and Liam was jumping up and down with excitement having caught a lot of fish. Gem came round and had a go on my peg as the bush was alive with fish and was soon catching a few much needed fish

We all packed up and got the weigh in done.

Weights for the day.

The star of the day was Liam who has weighed a massive 90lb 2 oz on his first 5 hour match and had also shattered most people’s PB carp. Well done Liam, I think even Marcus learnt a thing or two

Everyone had a great day and would like to thank John for letting us fish.

A few pictures now …

Liam Doyle, future superstar

Team Doyle

Marcus and Liam

Liam picking up his biggest fish money off Geoff

A very pleased 7 year old

WELL DONE LIAM

This was the final match of the series and things at the top of the individual and pairs league were very close. Malc Doyle, Peter Morton and Clive Pritchard were all in contention of winning the individual title. Malc and myself were in the lead with the pair results but were closely followed by Clive Pritchard and Ade Williams so it was all to play for. The final outcome was to be decided in the final match of the series.

It was going to be a tough match today as the lake had suffered from low oxygen levels and the lake was covered in fish gulping for air on the surface Saturday morning. John Bennett had the aerators running and was also pumping water in to the lake to get some oxygen back in the water from 7am to just before the start of the match.

The draw today was at 11.30am with fishing from 1.30 – 6-30. As this was the last match some of the lads had brought along their better halves to attend the BBQ after the match. Some of the Jinxsters had fished the night match and had camped over at the lake ready for the last Jinx Match. Soon the car park was full of the rest of the Jinxsters and the draw was made.

Fishing today was similar to last night with a lot of people catching early on and then struggling for the rest of the match. The wind was very strong today blowing through from the big lake to the little lake.

Not many pictures today as everyone was too busy trying to catch a fish. Peter Morton supplied a few pictures, thanks Peter.

Simon Mound fishing the bush on peg 32

Which resulted in a PB 4lb Chub

Down in the little lake Terry and Marcus were having their own little match fish from pegs 40 and 2. Marcus was leading the way until half an hour to go then Terry pulled out 3 weighers one after another to take the win from Marcus and overall match win too. Well done Terry.

Round the big lake it was all hit and miss. I had had a steady run of fish from the bush on peg 32 and then had no bites for an hour. Dave Moore fishing peg 9 had changed his normal paste tactics to fish for bream and while it worked for a while those pesky carp moved in and he was soon putting a few more fish in the net. Clive and Malc were having another little battle and it was a close one too with Malc just pipping Clive at the end.

With the match over we got the weigh in done quickly to give people more time at the BBQ and it became clear just how hard it had fished. The winner today was Terry and this was his first ever Match win so a Big well done to Terry

Results.

BBQ time

Everyone gathered around the BBQ after the weigh in to discuss the days fishing while Malc went off to do the results. Just after everyone had finished the lovely food cooked by John, Julie, Jean, Lisa and Mags Malc came back and announced the Final results after the 6 matches.

1. Overall Series Individual Champion .. Clive Pritchard
   
2. Second place .. Malc Doyle
3. Third Place .. Peter Morton
4. Fourth Place .. Simon Mound

1. Overall Pairs Winners .. Malc Doyle and Simon Mound
2. Second place .. Clive Pritchard and Ade Williams
3. Third Place .. Gem Doyle and Marcus Burgess

Overall Individual Series Result.

Overall Pairs Result.

Malc had again run an excellent series. I think the final match left everyone hungry for next year. Well done Malc. Well done to all the Jinxster for all the PB’s and Banter and making the series a great one to fish.

Some of the Jinxsters stayed over so they could have a drink at the BBQ and also travel back home the following day but there was a surprise in store when they woke up Sunday morning. More to come later…..

Today was the penultimate Jinx League Match. Most people were already at the lake having fished the Evening match the night before. Most were in a pretty bad way due to lack of sleep and/or the amount of beer consumed.

Gem’s hat victims for the day were none other that Clive Pritchard and Ade (Slim Shady) They are also partners in the Jinx league pairs too

Pairs and Hat partners, Clive and Ady

People today caught most of their fish in the final two hours of the match. Marcus Burgess (Budgie) managed his first win at the lake and his second Jinx ton also mainly fishing down the margin to his left on peg 15. Well done mate.

Peter Moreton on peg 8 had caught well but had been through the bushes more times than he would have liked loosing numerous rigs. Fred Parker fished a fine match and managed to survive the 2010 Jinx series without once getting MINXED. Everyone else fishing has been MINXED at least one time Fred will not be at the next match due to a holiday but were all sure Gem would have got you

Dave Collier also managed his first ever Section win on a Jinx match, well done mate. Al Loader also managed to catch the first ever 20lb + Carp on a Jinx match with a carp weighing 20-8 from peg 23. Superb.

The Final Jinx Match for 2010 is on the 21st August and then the lake should be fishing back to normal without Malc been down the lake

Results

Today the Jinx Squad return to the lake to fish their annual Evening match at the lake. They are also fishing on the Saturday too.

Before the match Malc had arranged a BBQ so everyone could have a natter before the match. The draw had been a rolling draw meaning you could draw from anytime after 4pm until the last person turned up. Most people were already at the lake and started drawing. People went and set up on their pegs with 3.5 hours before the match was due to start and then headed back for the BBQ.

John and Pauline

Gem and cooking. uh oh....

Thats more like Gem's cooking

Most people were camping at the lake ready for Saturdays match, and some were even fishing the open match on the Sunday too.

John do you know some Gypo's have moved in ??

Rolfslake flasher, Paul Roberts

Cross your arms if your going to do a Ton tonight

After the BBQ everyone made the way to their pegs. Some people were more excited than others with their drawing hand. See if you can guess which  ….. ?

Vince Gould was on 14.

Dave Collier was on 32

Malc Doyle on peg 8 with He-Man in the background

Mitch Auger behind peg 7

Tony Roberts seem quite chuffed to be on 9

Clive Pritchard on peg 31

Jon Hatch looks quite happy

Once the match started people seemed to all catch a fish pretty quickly but then people were struggling. After the lights went on the lake looked lovely but the fishing proved to be hard.

After the match word was A section had fished best with Malc on peg 8 had catching well along with Alex on peg 6. Nick Williams had also had a few. While in B section Al Loader was to the only person to really have put a weight together. In C section fresh was his first Ton weight Nick (Monkey) had been trying for another and came very close, Paul Roberts who had a terrible lasy match had managed to catch a few this time.

After quite a hard Match here are the results…

After the match and the weigh in was complete. People were up drinking and chatting till 5am.

A certain young Lady (Gem) had gone to bed having only fished for 2 hours of the match and then went to sleep behind her peg with the slugs and snails. So 7 out of 24 ain’t bad for 2 hours work is it

If you want to fish a night match at the lake the next one is on the 20th August. The draw time is 6.30pm. Its quite an experience

Make sure to ring John Bennett to book in as spaces are limited. Number is in ‘Contact‘ above.

Thanks, Si and Eddie.

Today the Jinxsters were back at the lake ready to fish their 4th match of the series. The draw was at 11.30 ish and fishing was from 1-30pm – 6-30pm. With delays both ways on the M40 a few people were late getting to the lake.

Jinxsters gathering for the Draw

Today was a free draw to see which sections everyone would be in for the remaining 2 match. So if you drew in A section this time you would be in B section for the next match and then C section for the final match. With the draw complete there was a worrying thought for everyone today…… Gem was on form peg 9 so there was a real chance of being MINXED today Fred Parker, fresh from a fine Wednesday Open Match Win and who had recently joined the 200lb club had soon set up having sussed the lake and had time to read the paper while everyone else wondered what to do.

200lb club and a new hat. Cool

Gem on peg 9. Scary stuff for the blokes

Steve Wilson on 17 and Mugger Morton on 18

Mitch on peg 32. Having a lovey dovey moment on the phone

Al Loader on peg 10 and Jon Hatch on 11

With the match underway most people were catching a few but were being plagued with fouler hooker’s, A scream from peg 9 went out across the lake signalling Gem had successfully landed her first carp. If you have never heard this then its a scary sound especially if you have not got anything in the net yourself

Simon fishing on peg 14 was high on Gem’s targets for the day but he had already got 2 fish in the net but was finding it hard to keep the fish coming and was also suffering from loosing a lot of foul hooked fish.

Nick W-P (Monkey) over on peg 26 was having a jolly day and was catching regularly and was well on target for his first ever ton weight. Malc round on peg 5 was catching well and so was Gem on peg 9. Also sneaking a few in was Fred on peg 15 fishing paste out at 6 meters and down the margin to his left.

Stick was flying from the hut today, John and Eddie were watching the match and cheering Gem on hoping she would get her first match win at the lake. Eddie had set rumours flying about that if Gem won a match at Rolfslake Simon would get down on one knee and propose to her. So John and Eddie were measuring each other up for suits and ringing the bell in the style of church bells trying to put Simon off his fishing and doing a very good job of it too

Luckily for Simon Fred Parker was doing a fine job of catching so Simon thought he would not have to get any grass stains on his knee’s

Simon trying to avoid a MINXING on peg 14

Action from peg 9. Gem Doyle

Fish On..

Gem's biggest of the day 16lb 4oz

Mitch on peg 32

With the match over banter started… Had Gem won the match… Had Fred managed to save Simon from getting his knee dirty Had Monkey done his Ton ???

Before the weigh in started Paul Roberts had dropped his keepnet adaptor in the lake and needed it for a match on Sunday so there was only one thing for it……

Now where is it.......

That's not it ......

Ahhh here it is....

In all the excitment his flip flop escapes

Now where's my towel

On to the weigh in and it seems Simon was safe after all as Malc fishing peg 5 saved his bacon with a fine weight of 176lb and to rub salt in to the wound he also took Gem’s peg king off her too Gem had managed a fine 126lb from peg 9 but it was only good enough for 4th place today and Fred Parker on peg 15 had 173lb and Peter Morton on peg 18 had 133lb and was only saved from been Minxed by 3 skimmers

The next but of excitement was when the scales rolled up on peg 26. Would he or wouldn’t he ….

Has Nick done his first ever Ton ??

Yes, easily. 126lb Well done Nick.

All round the weigh in people were telling him he had done it but he wouldn’t believe them and said….

“If I have done a ton I will jump in the lake”

True to his word

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Results.

Overall Winner and A Section Winner, Malc Doyle

A Section Second place, Nick Williams

B Section Winner. Gem Doyle

B Section Second place,. Nick W-P

C Section Winner. Fred Parker

C Section Second place, Peter Morton

Liam Doyle won the 'Guess the weight' competition

One last issue need to be sorted before everyone left the lake. Who would be wearing the dreaded MINX hat for the next match. Gem certainly had enough to choose from….

Now who shall it be ...

Plenty to choose from ...

And the winner is .....

Clive Pritchard

The next time the Jinxsters are at the lake is next Friday(30th July) when Malc holds his annual night match at the lake to get everyone warmed up for match 5 on the Saturday after. The night match is not part of the Jinx series so there are just 2 match remaining to go.

Thanks for reading, Si and Eddie

The Jinx squad role up to the lake again today for their third match. All the usual suspects assemble with the usual anticipation of catching a big weight from the lake but what has the lake in store for them today … ?

The weather today was a mixture of cloud with sunny spells, the cloud were very dark and it looked like it was going to rain also. The wind had also picked up creating a large ripple on the lake. The carpark filled up early today with most people getting to the lake around 10.30. Even Malc was there early

Jinx Squad waiting for the draw

Keith74, Rolfslake virgin. Excited to be at the lake.

Ant Haywood and Marcuss Burgess

Before the draw could take place there was a small matter of the Minx hat…. Paul Dolby who should have been wearing the hat for this match had called in sick So Gem decided the best way for the hat to still get an airing was to put all the peoples names she had MINXED into a hat and draw a random name……

Gem announcing the hat victim lineup

Gem Drawing the name

The chosen one is..........

Steve Wilson.

Despite a lot of protesting Steve still wore the hat…. For some of the match, after he got it back out the lake after the wind blew it in

Suits you sir

With the draw and Hat handing out the way everyone trundled off to their pegs. Today would be the last time people would be fishing in their sections as the next match will see everyone drawing for sections again for the remaining 3 matches. This means they will draw from the hat with all the pegs in there, if you draw A section you will then be in B section for match 5 and C for the final match of the series. It seems to be a good idea so far.

With the draw running a little late people did not have as long to set up to day as fishing was from 1pm to 6pm. Early speculation was Gem would draw peg 8 and proceed to Minx everyone but flyer pegs 8 and 9 remained in the bag unpicked Gem did however draw a unusual peg… Peg 5 which is not normally fished. With no one else previously fishing the peg all she had to do was catch a fish and she would be Peg Queen

Gem Doyle on peg 5

With the match underway both Clive on peg 11 and Peter on peg 10 were straight in to fish. Clive managed to net his with no problem but the same could not be said for Peter. His fish was fouled hooked and being quite stubborn. Peter stood up and decided to give it a bit of ooomph, his topkit could not take the pressure and proceeded to snap into 7 pieces He still managed to get the fish in though, well done Peter.

Peter Morton on peg 10

Wonder if this can be repaired

After about an hour the shout went out from Gem signalling she had caught a fish. Gem was fishing the feeder on peg 5 with a banded pellet.

Peg 5 was very windy.

Matt Edwards on peg 7 was having a few too, this made up for the lack of fish for him on the last match.

Matt on peg 7 catching a few

At this point Malc And Gem had been away visiting Family in hospital for a couple of hours but Malc still managed to come back feed, put his rig out and catch a fish right away…must have been solid

Malc on peg 38 using a number 6 elastic by the looks of it

A few fish were coming from the little lake but another few causalities also happened. Kev on peg 4 was shipping back after hooking a fish to find his topkit missing when he shipped back and Tony on peg 2 also broke a topkit.

Kev on peg 4 before his topkit did a submarine impression

Dave Moore struggling on peg 36

Dai on form from peg 34

Talking of breaking things, Steve Wilson on peg 32 was breaking rig and topkits like there was no tomorrow but was still managing to get a few in.

The fishing around the lake was very patching. Some people were catching and other people were not catching, me being one of them. Clive on peg 11 had been picking off fish from his 6 meter line and his right hand margin and was slowly building up a good weight for the day.

Clive Pritchard with another carp.

In the net, Well done.

Clives Fish. 13lb 8oz although it did look bigger.

With the end of the matching nearing people that had been catching well were Clive on Peg 11, Jon on peg 32, Dai on 34, Matt on peg 7 and Marcus Burgess on peg 28. It was going to be a close match.

With the weigh in complete The winner of the day was to be Clive Pritchard who had fished a tidy match finding fish from his various swims. Well done Clive, well fished mate.

Results.

A SECTION

B SECTION

C SECTION

Dai Thomas, A section Winner

Second in A Section, Matt Edwards

B Section and Overall Winner Clive Pritchard

Second in B section Marcus Burgess with his new 'fish finder' glasses

C section winner Nick Williams

Second in C section and on his lake depute Keith74. Well done mate

Well done to everyone who caught carp on a very hard day at the lake. One more thing had to be done before everyone left the lake……. THE HAT

Now I must point out that anyone Minxed today should hang their heads in shame as Gem only really fished for 3 hours. With 7 names to choose from who would the hat go to…..

Despite Gem Minxing her boyfriend Simon Mound good and proper there could be only one contender for the hat…. Ade Williams, who had avoided being Minxed for nearly 3 years. Welcome to the club mate. I will make you a nice cuppa tea

Ade Will don the hat for match 4 unless he falls ill

A few other notables for this match were that Marcus Burgess weighed in 4 fish for a massive 67lb 4oz

• 18lb
• 16lb
• 18lb 4oz
• 15lb

Well done Marcus.

Clive stole John Bennetts lake king title from peg 11.

Gem also took a peg King title to become the peg queen of peg 5.

Ade despite been Minxed and having to wear the hat still picked up money for the guess the weight competition. He also took the peg king title for peg 20 :D

Despite been stone cold last and been Minxed to the extreme Simon Mound fishing on peg 13 managed to catch the elusive golden orfe. It fell to double caster from his left hand margin swim. This was the same Fish Eddie caught a few weeks back. Thanks to Peter for taking the picture.

Simon Mounds only consolation for been last on the day

The next match is a fair way away. It takes place on the 24th July. Plenty of time to prepare rigs and to ponder on how the lake will fish next time.